
Just got into town for the Illowa APBA League draft weekend.
Party indeed.
Yesterday, I started off by getting a sense of who APBA players were from a demographic standpoint. Today, I’m focusing on what games we play. I’m actually breaking up the the “Playing the Game” survey section into a couple articles (I’ll post the rest of the results of that section soon).
One point before we get started… A few of these questions were the type you could choose more than one answer so the percentages will add to more than 100%. The given percentage is simply what percentage of the 400 respondents answered with that response.
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Comments: Regardless of sport, this question gives us an idea why we play the game of APBA. Do we do it for the enjoyment of simulation of replays or the camaraderie of competitive leagues? Or maybe something in between?
I’ll be honest. I’m a little APBA league-centric. That is, I have (had) this feeling there were a lot more people in APBA leagues than there really were. This really opened my eyes. There is a substantial portion of the APBA community who play solitaire (or at least do not play in leagues).
| Answer | Count | Percentage |
| Basic Game | 241 | 60.25% |
| Master Game | 120 | 30.00% |
| BBW or other Computer version | 114 | 28.50% |
| Other | 28 | 7.00% |
Comments: I tried to make this survey as sports agnostic as possible but I did want to get a sense of how popular the Basic was in comparison to the Master Game and computer versions.
Under “Other”, the most popular responses were “modified” or “enhanced” versions of the game, Skeetersoft and the DVAL boards.
| Answer | Count | Percentage |
| Baseball | 365 | 91.25% |
| Football | 127 | 31.75% |
| Soccer | 28 | 7.00% |
| Hockey | 52 | 13.00% |
| Golf | 75 | 18.75% |
| Basketball | 13 | 3.25% |
| Saddle Racing | 39 | 9.75% |
| Bowling | 25 | 6.25% |
Comments: Wow! Baseball is king! APBA Baseball fan that I am, even I was amazed at the high number. Football holds a solid second. Golf still has a good following apparently. Higher than I expected, I guess.
| Answer | Count | Percentage |
| pre-1920 | 62 | 15.50% |
| 1921-1940 | 70 | 17.50% |
| 1941-1960 | 106 | 26.50% |
| 1961-1980 | 198 | 49.50% |
| 1981-2000 | 107 | 26.75% |
| 2000-present | 77 | 19.25% |
| Current year | 41 | 10.25% |
| Other | 41 | 10.25% |
Comments: This was one of the few questions that was blatantly directed at one sport. The high popularity of ‘61-80 is most likely due to generational and age issues than anything. We like to play the years we grew up with. That’s the case with me.
In the “Other” field, the three most popular answers by far were Great Teams of the Past, BATS (Baseball All-Time Stars), and Negro League set. OFAS (the Original Franchise All-Stars set) was mentioned a few times. A couple of you wrote that you liked “ALL Seasons” which made me feel good inside. And I got a chuckle from the person who wrote, “years the dodgers did well”.
| Answer | Count | Percentage |
| I like to play seasons from the past. | 300 | 75.00% |
| I only play current seasons. | 66 | 16.50% |
Comments: This was a simple question. Without getting into specific years or seasons, I let you interpret the question how you would.
It seems that past seasons definitely have an appeal.
I’ll continue the series with questions that focus on “How” we play the game of APBA next. That article may be next week since the IAL draft is this weekend and my Twin City Thunderchickens desperately need my attention. :)
I’m finally ready to start revealing the data from the Great ABPA Fan Survey! We had 400 respondents. I’m quite pleased with the response.
First, a couple things.
Why have multiple choice/yes no questions? Those questions were easily quantifiable and analyzed and easier to graph. I didn’t want to have too many short answer text questions at first for fear of making the survey too long to fill out. But Walt Taylor and I talked over email and he (maybe unknowingly) convinced me it would be a good idea. I’m glad he did. Sure, the text answers are harder to display in a graph form but they provided an outlet for you to speak out. They also made the survey more interesting, quite frankly.
Finally, I’m not claiming this survey has any scientific bearing. I’m no statistician or pollster. There are inherent flaws in the survey (for example, only those with Internet access could take the survey). That said, I think this survey does reveal some things about us as an APBA community.
So in the first installment, I’m taking on the General section of the survey. Who are you? I wasn’t so much surprised by the general consensus of survey as much as I was by just how much so. In short, the average APBA fan is over 40 years old and has played since they were young. They read about APBA in a sports magazine and most likely have tried other tabletop sports games.
Let’s take a look at the first set of questions:
| Answer | Count | Percentage |
| under 15 years old | 0 | 0.00% |
| 16-20 | 0 | 0.00% |
| 21-30 | 7 | 1.75% |
| 31-40 | 47 | 11.75% |
| 41-50 | 98 | 24.50% |
| 50-60 | 144 | 36.00% |
| I’m old! | 89 | 22.25% |
| Answer | Count | Percentage |
| under 10 years old | 38 | 9.50% |
| 11-20 | 279 | 69.75% |
| 20-40 | 53 | 13.25% |
| 40-50 | 7 | 1.75% |
| over 50 | 4 | 1.00% |
How long have you played APBA (any APBA product)?
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| Answer | Count | Percentage |
| 1-2 years | 7 | 1.75% |
| 3-5 years | 7 | 1.75% |
| 6-15 years | 21 | 5.25% |
| 15-30 years | 92 | 23.00% |
| over 30 years | 256 | 64.00% |
Comments: taking these first three together, it shows a very loyal if aged, customer base of APBA fans. I was amazed how many have played APBA for so many years. In short, many fans have started playing young and kept playing.
What introduced you to the game of APBA?
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| Answer | Count | Percentage |
| A friend or relative. | 170 | 42.50% |
| I saw an ad in a sports magazine. | 180 | 45.00% |
| I read about it on the web. | 7 | 1.75% |
| Other | 25 | 6.25% |
Comments: The most cited reason in the “Other” field was a “teacher” or “school”. Probably should have had that as an option. Thank goodness for the educational system. Other ones mentioned were: military, seen in a game/toy store, and read about it in an article/book.
Do you play any other sports simulation games such as Strat-o-Matic or Diamond Mind Baseball?
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| Answer | Count | Percentage |
| I play APBA occasionally but prefer another game. | 35 | 8.75% |
| I like playing APBA but do dabble with other games sometimes. | 137 | 34.25% |
| APBA is the one for me! | 208 | 52.00% |
Comments: No surprise here considering the target audience. I was just curious how many tried other games.
How often do play sports video games on the computer or a console game system?
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| Answer | Count | Percentage |
| I play quite often. | 46 | 11.98% |
| I play occasionally. | 141 | 36.72% |
| What’s a console game system? | 189 | 49.22% |
| No answer | 8 | 2.08% |
Comments: This question was a suggestion and again, I’m not too surprised by the results. There are some who find no satisfaction with the video game genre. At the same time, there are enough similarities that I figured enough people would admit to playing.
As time allows (the Illowa APBA League has their draft this weekend), I’ll continue to post results of survey.
As I promised, I closed the survey at 5pm CT today. Submissions were slowing down considerably anyway. I’m quite pleased with the initial results. I had about 400 respondents.
Give me a day or two to look over the results and formulate a plan to disseminate the info. More than likely, I will have a series of posts on the topic since there is a LOT of information.
Fun stuff, I can guarantee you this.
[Update] You can see the results I’ve posted so far here.
I’ve had the Great APBA Fan Survey up for over a week now. I’ve gotten a great response to it and now it’s (almost) time to deactivate it and start parsing through the results. I’m going to leave it up for one more day. If you haven’t filled it out and you still want to, you have till Tuesday (April 10th) at 5pm.
Once it’s down, give a day or two to analyze the data and then I’ll start posting the results. Since there were so many questions, I’ll make it into a series of posts (but there will be a direct url that will take you to all the posts).
Once again, here is the link for the survey for anyone that wants to take it.
thanks all!
Update: The survey is now closed. You can see the results here.
Thanks go to reader Tom Zuppa for suggesting this week’s MCM, Cristobal Torriente. His card APBA card was published as part of the Negro League Set in 1994.
Generally, not a lot is known about Negro League statistics though recently, Baseball Reference published what IS known in their new Negro League Statistics section.
Here are Cristobal’s Torriente’s stats for his career, more or less:
| Year | Tm | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | SB | BB | |||
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| 1912 | Habana | 101 | 11 | 26 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 14 | 7 | 9 | .257 | .318 | .337 |
| 1913 | Almendares | 32 | 0 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | .156 | .176 | .188 |
| 1914 | 2 Teams | 134 | 35 | 52 | 11 | 4 | 2 | 24 | 8 | 24 | .388 | .481 | .575 |
| 1914 | Cuban Stars of Havana | 114 | 27 | 45 | 10 | 4 | 2 | 22 | 6 | 20 | .395 | .485 | .605 |
| 1914 | Almendares | 20 | 8 | 7 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 4 | .350 | .458 | .400 |
| 1915 | 2 Teams | 214 | 43 | 75 | 12 | 4 | 2 | 35 | 15 | 25 | .350 | .418 | .472 |
| 1915 | Cuban Stars of Havana | 188 | 32 | 65 | 11 | 3 | 2 | 31 | 11 | 18 | .346 | .403 | .468 |
| 1915 | Almendares | 26 | 11 | 10 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 4 | 4 | 7 | .385 | .515 | .500 |
| 1916 | 2 Teams | 205 | 37 | 71 | 12 | 2 | 2 | 43 | 7 | 28 | .346 | .425 | .454 |
| 1916 | Havana | 183 | 30 | 60 | 10 | 2 | 2 | 38 | 7 | 22 | .328 | .400 | .437 |
| 1916 | Kansas City | 22 | 7 | 11 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 6 | .500 | .607 | .591 |
| 1917 | Kansas City | 58 | 10 | 16 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 6 | 6 | .276 | .344 | .328 |
| 1918 | Havana | 128 | 30 | 46 | 4 | 9 | 1 | 26 | 3 | 16 | .359 | .431 | .555 |
| 1919 | Chicago American Giants | 142 | 31 | 46 | 10 | 3 | 3 | 35 | 7 | 32 | .324 | .448 | .500 |
| 1920 | Chicago American Giants | 151 | 21 | 63 | 14 | 7 | 2 | 7 | 19 | .417 | .482 | .642 | |
| 1921 | Chicago American Giants | 168 | 35 | 54 | 4 | 8 | 4 | 3 | 3 | .321 | .333 | .512 | |
| 1922 | Chicago | 122 | 29 | 33 | 8 | 1 | 6 | 6 | 8 | .270 | .315 | .500 | |
| 1923 | Chicago | 261 | 69 | 101 | 22 | 5 | 4 | 12 | 44 | .387 | .475 | .556 | |
| 1924 | Chicago | 254 | 57 | 87 | 24 | 6 | 7 | 11 | 37 | .343 | .426 | .567 | |
| 1925 | Chicago | 299 | 47 | 79 | 11 | 7 | 9 | 5 | 54 | .264 | .377 | .438 | |
| 1926 | Kansas City | 296 | 50 | 103 | 19 | 5 | 4 | 12 | 36 | .348 | .419 | .486 | |
| 1927 | Detroit | 256 | 30 | 81 | 15 | 2 | 5 | 5 | 0 | .316 | .316 | .449 | |
| 1928 | Detroit | 118 | 15 | 38 | 7 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 6 | .322 | .355 | .458 | |
| 1932 | Cleveland | 32 | 1 | 8 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 4 | 1 | .250 | .273 | .344 | |
| 18 Seasons | 2971 | 551 | 984 | 179 | 69 | 53 | 188 | 120 | 349 | .331 | .401 | .491 | |
| NgM (10 seasons) | 1957 | 354 | 647 | 125 | 45 | 42 | 67 | 208 | .331 | .395 | .505 | ||
| N/A (6 seasons) | 835 | 167 | 289 | 50 | 21 | 10 | 165 | 40 | 120 | .346 | .428 | .492 | |
| Fgn (4 seasons) | 179 | 30 | 48 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 23 | 13 | 21 | .268 | .343 | .341 | |
Torriente’s APBA card, based presumably on a compilation of his seasons (I think. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.), definitely shows his speed. He has triple power in his extra base numbers of 1-2-2-6. Plus he has 11-11-10 and one of his four 14s is adorned with an asterisk. Torriente’s good glove work is vindicated with a OF-3. Should you need a pitcher, he can even fill in. He’s a grade DYZ.
I certainly don’t claim to be a Negro Leagues expert but from what I do know, Cristobal Torriente was a talented ballplayer. He was good enough to make it to the Baseball Hall of Fame. No doubt, he every bit deserved this card.
Thanks again to Tom Zuppa for the suggestion!!
I’m kind of amazed by the response I’m getting from everyone to the survey. In three or four days, over 300 people have filled it out. And so far, the pace has only just now started to slow down just a little (I know this because I’m having the system email me a copy every time someone fills it out as a backup… you should see my inbox).
I’ve taken a look at the survey statistics that have come in so far and I can tell I will enjoy revealing these to you. Without giving too much away, some overall results are quite expected and others did surprise me. The best part for me personally is the final part where you all left general comments. There were some good suggestions for both the APBA Company and The APBA Blog (I’m taking them to heart). There were also many kind words. Thanks for that.
I plan to leave the survey up and running till next week or so. If you haven’t had a chance to fill it out, now’s your chance.
thanks again all!
Update: The survey is now closed. You can see the results here.
Note: I’ve heard a lot of talk lately about Ballstat/Ballscore statkeeping software. So much so that I asked Jeff Papas to do a review of the software for The APBA Blog. He graciously agreed. -Tom
There’s been a good bit of talk on this blog recently about statistics and how to utilize them in replays and leagues. It’s a great discussion and I do feel that unless you’re a player of Baseball for Windows, it’s perhaps one of the great APBA ‘eternal arguments’.
I’ve played the baseball game in Master, Basic and computer versions since 1973 and for me, stat day (or week) was always drudgery. That, and my numbers would never come out right. Perhaps that was part of it. (Dom Provisiero, please hide your eyes at this!)
BBWIN, of course, takes care of all that through the StatMaster package. But it’s not the same as ‘rolling the bones’, and even though I play in the Three Rivers League in the computer game (and have been fortunate enough to win it three times), returning to my gaming roots a few years ago made me think about how to keep stats.
Enter BallScore and BallStat.
This computer program is, in one word, powerful. It is also, to use one word, daunting.
Yet for some replayers, it’s also, in two words, the answer.
I use it for my 1916 replay and it’s also, of course, usable for scoring live games as well. It’ll keep live stats, pitch counts, and update statistics mid-game if you want it to.
So, what are the strong and weak points of this program? Since I’m an eternal optimist, I’ll start with the top three good:
1) Stat compilation is a snap. When you’re done with the game in question, you can export stats for the entire game to a database by clicking four mouse buttons. That, frankly, ain’t bad. And, it makes up for a lot of rigmarole elsewhere in the program.
2) Tracking a game is also a snap – once you learn how. The scoring half of the program, BallScore, has a series of prompts for scoring every conceivable situation. The visual output is that of a traditional scorebook, so you can see each batter’s performance at a glance. Customizable windows allow you to view the current batter’s season or game totals, the current pitcher’s season or game totals, or the line score with the click of a mouse.
3) Reports? Yeah. Tons? Sure. The program’s website mentions 330 stock reports are possible. I believe that. There are so many, I don’t know how to generate them all. And each report is customizable. Want to know how the 1916 Phillies do against lefthanded pitchers at Pittsburgh? No problem. Want to export that to a replay website? Also not a problem. The recent blog discussion about what stats to keep doesn’t need to happen with BallStat. It keeps EVERYTHING.
Now, the not-quite-as-good:
1) It’s not exactly intuitive. While it’s true that there is more than one way to skin a cat, there’s also more than one way to score certain plays in BallScore. Some of them are very hard to find within the interface. For example, you have to know just where to look to complete APBA’s poetic recitation of a 7 with a runner on first base: “SINGLE to right, runner to third; batter to second on throw to third”. Moving a trailing batter/runner through the interface takes time to learn and examples like that can be frustrating. While mistakes are erasable, erasing in the wrong place can remove an entire inning’s results – or worse. The manual is over 200 pages long and that can be daunting too. It’s not for the faint of heart.
2) Watch those baserunners. The program interface asks whether runners move up on each play. If you forget, the program will occasionally do it for you – sometimes allowing runs to score on the third out of an inning if you aren’t careful. That requires editing.
3) Replayers have work to do. Sometimes, lots. If you like, you can enter as-played lineups into BallScore/BallStat if you can find them from a source like Retrosheet. At minimum, you have to enter every name of every player in your replay or league into the database so stats can be kept. There’s a fair amount of work to be done for every replayer, but if you also use an Excel spreadsheet and roster program to play the game as I do, it means the entire league has to be data-entered twice before you can roll the dice even once. However, BallScore has features specifically designed for the tabletop replayer such as customizable dice and the ability to import rosters more quickly.
So, what’s the verdict?
You could try it for yourself. Without this article sounding like an advertisement, a trial version with 100 free uses is available at ballstat.com. The program itself is $19.99 with free updates for life.
There’s also a free Delphi forum for questions (I post there under the name “BomboRivera”).
Personally? I wouldn’t replay without it. The time saved in stat generation, once you get everything entered, makes it golden for me. As they say on the road, ‘your mileage may vary’, but if you’re looking for a program that does everything you could possibly want to do in terms of generating statistics, BallScore/BallStat may well be for you.
More screenshots below.
Thanks to Jeff Papas for writing this up! It is much appreciated. If you like his stuff, show him some love in the comments and maybe he’ll write some more for The APBA Blog ;-)
I just spent a few minutes clicking away at the new APBA Co. website.
I think it still needs work but I think the basic structure is there for APBA to include content now. At least, now the contact information is correct and references to the old office are gone.
I’m also seeing some image rendering issues (some fading in and out that take a little too long). Perhaps it’s my browser.
But overall, I like the change from the static web design from before. I know just a little about this and know that if there is something that needs editing or changing with format, it won’t be too difficult.
Thoughts?
Francis Rose announced that the rules for the 2012 Convention Tournament have now been posted. You can see them at the Convention website.
Nothing too dramatically different. First of all, you’re not limited as far as team selection:
“Any STOCK team from a complete season card set issued by APBA from the 1901 season through and including the 2011 season will be eligible, be they original issues or re-issues. However, ALL team rosters will be limited to 20 players.”
Only the Great Teams of the Past will not be eligible.
As far as actual playing rules, everything looks pretty standard if my memory serves. 3-man rotation, Long and short relievers, and the DH will be used. There will be a usage limit of three times for the hit and run per nine inning game. Also, a shaker or tower must be used for all dice rolls. No hand rolling, guys! Things do get a little Bud Selig-esque at one point.
All games will be limited to ten (10) innings. Games tied at the end of the regulation 10 innings will be resolved in the following manner: The roll for the “11th inning” lead-off batter will be made with the result being, at the minimum, a double. That is, the batter could hit a triple or a homerun, but any other result puts him on second base regardless of what result was rolled. ALL SUBSEQUENT BATTERS WILL BE FACING A GRADE C PITCHER WITH NO STRIKEOUT OR WALK LETTERS AND A FIELDING RATING OF ONE (1). Once the Visiting Team has completed its turn at bat, the Home Team will follow the same procedure.. The process will be repeated until the tie is broken.
I kid. I kid. I understand the reason for it. Got to keep everything on schedule.
Thanks to Francis Rose and all the other convention organizers for their hard work on this!!
What team do you all plan on managing? I’d love to hear a roll call.